Be afraid. Be very afraid.

"Violent Islamic Extremists," as Giuliani et al. call them, don't scare me. So, unlike Rudi, Sarah and Mitt, I was quite pleased that the speakers at the DNC did not obsess over them ad nauseam. Being an Israeli-American, though, I am very afraid.

The Violent Christian Extremists terrify me. A popular member of this Christian Jihadist movement, who has a strong record of associating with anti-semitic hate mongers, recently heightened my fear:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Although Violent Islamic and Christian Extremists share identical rhetoric (i.e. "on a mission from G-d"), methods (violence) and end-game (that whole Armageddon thing), the Violent Christian Extremists have been far more successful in their execution. This is not surprising given that one of their leading, most violent Mujahadeen is the US President. Like his Al Queda analogs, he claims to receive his marching orders directly from G-d:

Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Violent Islamic Extremists, while capable of horrible violence, are clearly outmatched by their Christian counterparts, who have the strength of the world's most powerful nation-state behind them. The results are indeed horror-inducing:

*4000+ American Dead, tens of thousands maimed
*Tens of thousands (or, more likely, hundreds of thousands) of civilian dead
*Perpetual war and an infinite potential for expanding the magnitude of the current conflicts and the resulting impact to civilian populations



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As a non-theist (2.00 / 1)

they all worry me.

My #1 beef with Hucakabee - during his moment of being a frontrunner - was his religious beefs (yes, ahead of his political views).  The idea that we would put an honest to (pardon the pun) god Born Again Christian preacher in office literally scared me more than anything.

I called into the Glenn Beck show about it (keep in mind that I'm a "fiscal conservative").  

The idea that the thing America needs is to get more Christian-fundamental at the top is more than ludicrous - it is internationally polarizing and nationally divisive.  George Bush lost a huge chunk of support on Sept 12, 2001 by saying in his address to the nation: <sic>"Americans like muslims" - I literally got out of my chair and shouted at the TV "We are Muslims, you idiot!" and put my head in my hands...

This is not a Christian nation.  It sure as hell is not a Christian Armageddonist  nation...

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 12:40:53 PM EST

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 2)

Sure, the pundits are swooning, and even some of our own (Jerome? WTF?)...

She is perfect for Reality TV, Perfect for US Magazine.

But, I don't care HOW many kids she has and HOW pretty she is, do we want to live in Sarah Palin's America.

She is James Dobson's dream come true, just when he was about to be assigned to the ash-heap of history, they find their "female Reagan"

Well, unless you want to put EVERY KID in America in the position Bristol was put....

No Sex Education in the schools.

No choice if you happen to get accidently pregnant.

This is group that is committed to shutting down Planned Parent Hood and cutting off easy access to Birth Control.

Hell, in Sarah Palins America, the number of Bristols GOES UP!!!!

This is ALSO the group that hates governmnet help on Prenatal care, help for expectant mothers in general if the government is involve in anyway?

They want to make us Believe HER story, 5 Kids and a career will be typical if we just let the Republics GUT the social support system.

Any woman, any mother, any father, that votes for Sarah Palin's America is not in touch with any democratic value of the last 50 years.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 12:48:01 PM EST

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 1)

Sigh.  I knew this was going to get sticky.  One of my colleagues, an older gentleman who has been solidly pro-Obama, took a drastic right turn today and said that he liked Palin's speech, and said he'd "leave it at that."  He's in play again.

I don't know how it happens.  Every time, the Republicans trot out this patriotism and character assassination bullshit and every time they get play on it.  This time it promises to be harder than usual because they have a pretty face with a compelling story shoving daggers into the integrity of the nation.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:16:00 PM EST

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 1)

Ask him in a couple of days what he liked about it?

Seriously, I thought it was just red-meat for the base, short on ANY substance except the same old RR attack memes.

Is this guy a solid democrat?  

A leaning independent? Did he vote for Bush?

Was he taken by her looks, her personal story?

I get why the base likes her, I get why low information voters may like her.

But ANYONE with democratic principles and a clue about issues should NOT have been swayed.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:23:27 PM EST
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Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 2)

I haven't really asked him how he's voted in the past;  I'm going to question him about it later... but I should cool down first.  

I told these guys that McCain was going to pick Palin last thursday, so they weren't as surprised as most other people.  They at least think I know my stuff.  One other guy has voted Republican in the past but is disaffected and has asked me questions about the candidates recently.

I'm working on it.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:29:12 PM EST
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Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (none / 0)

Not to go to the well yet again on this, but I hold the media partly accountable. All they understand is attacking the other party. During the Democrats' Convention, the Matthewses and Todds of the world were absolutely fixated on why the Democrats weren't attacking, clawing, biting and savaging the republicans from the opening invocation on.

They implied the Convention had been an utter failure the first couple days because no one threw any red meat (I remember one of them--I forgot who--even argued that Michelle Obama should've been on the attack. They pay people to offer that kind of tone-deaf commentary??)

They only finally came around after Kerry and Biden started throwing some jabs. And then they insisted that Obama "needs" to "rip the bark off" McCain and the republicans.

So naturally, you can see why the media wets themselves over GOP conventions. It's all hatred, all the time. The insane Bundt rally known as the 2004 GOP convention was lauded as a huge success because they out-hated the other guys. And Palin is the media's darling today because she was both pretty AND hateful.

At some point, you would think that at least ONE of these useless pundits and commentators would say something to the effect of, "But what are these people going to DO for the voters? I get it: liberals are bad, Obama is inexperienced. But where's their vision?"

In fact, it would also be nice if those same opinion-makers would consider pointing out that it's disgusting to continuously denigrate Democrats' patriotism. Chuck Todd really couldn't bring himself to say, "I know this is what Republicans like to do, but at some point, there should be some sense of decency and fair play. Insisting that your political opponent wants to surrender to terrorists is not only in bad faith, it's also dangerous."


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:38:37 PM EST
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Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (none / 0)

Chucky T is going to need to grow a bit more of a spine if he ever expects to fill Tim Russert's shoes.

I love the guy, but sheesh.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 02:41:35 PM EST
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Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 1)

Bob, frankly, I find your concern about Palin's frightening religious beliefs and the return of right-wing Christian dominionism to be irrelevant.

She gave a speech that had lots of insults and sarcasm, and a lot of people clapped and yelled, so all of this other stuff now ceases to matter. I don't see why we should even be discussing this "issues," "background" and "record" stuff, because she is now automatically qualified to be a terrific vice president based on that one speech.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that people may even want to have a beer with her.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:19:49 PM EST

I'd like to have several beers with her. (2.00 / 2)

Then maybe a moonlit walk on the beach.

As long as we don't talk about politics (or, probably, her husband).  Bears.  We can talk about bears.  

I think my pro-bears stand contrasts well with her anti-bears stand, and we could have a very pleasant evening debating the issue while strictly avoiding the fact that she's bugnuts insane on nearly every social issue, and agreed to be on a ticket that I thought she was too smart to accept.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:32:13 PM EST
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Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid. (2.00 / 1)

"In fact, I'd go so far as to say that people may even want to have a beer with her."

Not if she is heading out to hunt some Caribou from a helicopter?

Shoot, at least Cheney doesn't use military aircraft to bag the clipped wing birds he shoots on the game reserves....

Fair and Balanced?

I think they need to give the Caribou Stinger Missiles to make this an interesting match.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:35:35 PM EST
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Donny Deutsch's Take on Palin (2.00 / 1)

This morning on CNBC Donnie Deutsch claimed that Palin is a hit because she is a strong feminine woman, who wears a skirt rather than a pantsuit.  He says women can relate to her and men want to "mate" with her.  Erin, the female commentator, appeared a little appalled at these statements, but the guy commentator took it all in.

Sorry I don't have time to link, etc, but you all know how to get the exact quotes.


by susie on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 03:50:50 PM EST


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